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	<title>Comments on: 22 Things Plurk Has Taught Me About Friendship</title>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12139</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I have to find new things to do to spice up my relationship with  my wife.</description>
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		<title>By: Jarkko</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarkko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of great discussion going on over here!

@jameswilliams90: Good point! There is so much going on all the time - just like in a pub (that was one of the comments about the relation between plurk and friendship) that people miss you easily.

The same thing happens offline too, and somehow then it feels more offensive. But I&#039;ve been learning that it&#039;s the same thing there as well: if your comment is ignored, it&#039;s probably just because they were distracted by something else and didn&#039;t hear it. If it&#039;s important, repeat, otherwise even ignoring the whole thing is a good option.

@Terence: Hehe, walks are great :) 

@Dren: You&#039;re welcome! I&#039;m happy to have introduced you to these addictions because it makes them even more interesting for me too.

@Lynoure: Those points make a lot of sense.

I think one more point that makes it easy to socialize online is the fact that you have an escape route. If you don&#039;t have anything to say, you don&#039;t have the acquard situation where you are trying to come up with something to say. You just shut up and do something else until you have something to talk about.

But that&#039;s not always a good thing. Sometimes it also makes it way too easy to forget about the other person, and then you shut up for too long and get into this endless loop of avoidance.

Still, I guess the one big question that raises from your thoughts is whether you think people are faking online or are they in fact acting more like their true selves?

@Dren: I think the answer lies within the question about what&#039;s the real you. 

Yes, I agree that this online world can&#039;t be your only social network. It&#039;s just too abstract for that, as all we have for expressing our feelings are words - and emoticons.

But on the other hand, I still believe that there are real people behind the words. And when you don&#039;t have to worry about anything else than the words, you might get closer to the other person more quickly. In this way, you can get to know people online - but then, I don&#039;t think something like Plurk will alone make it into a real friendship.

E-mail is already something more, so is one-to-one chatting, and when you see face to face, that&#039;s the ultimate test for whether you can also be friends outside of the web too or not. And it&#039;s no simple test, from my experience. But then again, life (and relationships between people) is never simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of great discussion going on over here!</p>
<p>@jameswilliams90: Good point! There is so much going on all the time &#8211; just like in a pub (that was one of the comments about the relation between plurk and friendship) that people miss you easily.</p>
<p>The same thing happens offline too, and somehow then it feels more offensive. But I&#8217;ve been learning that it&#8217;s the same thing there as well: if your comment is ignored, it&#8217;s probably just because they were distracted by something else and didn&#8217;t hear it. If it&#8217;s important, repeat, otherwise even ignoring the whole thing is a good option.</p>
<p>@Terence: Hehe, walks are great :) </p>
<p>@Dren: You&#8217;re welcome! I&#8217;m happy to have introduced you to these addictions because it makes them even more interesting for me too.</p>
<p>@Lynoure: Those points make a lot of sense.</p>
<p>I think one more point that makes it easy to socialize online is the fact that you have an escape route. If you don&#8217;t have anything to say, you don&#8217;t have the acquard situation where you are trying to come up with something to say. You just shut up and do something else until you have something to talk about.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not always a good thing. Sometimes it also makes it way too easy to forget about the other person, and then you shut up for too long and get into this endless loop of avoidance.</p>
<p>Still, I guess the one big question that raises from your thoughts is whether you think people are faking online or are they in fact acting more like their true selves?</p>
<p>@Dren: I think the answer lies within the question about what&#8217;s the real you. </p>
<p>Yes, I agree that this online world can&#8217;t be your only social network. It&#8217;s just too abstract for that, as all we have for expressing our feelings are words &#8211; and emoticons.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, I still believe that there are real people behind the words. And when you don&#8217;t have to worry about anything else than the words, you might get closer to the other person more quickly. In this way, you can get to know people online &#8211; but then, I don&#8217;t think something like Plurk will alone make it into a real friendship.</p>
<p>E-mail is already something more, so is one-to-one chatting, and when you see face to face, that&#8217;s the ultimate test for whether you can also be friends outside of the web too or not. And it&#8217;s no simple test, from my experience. But then again, life (and relationships between people) is never simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Dren</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12021</link>
		<dc:creator>Dren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lynoure
Great point and well said Lynoure.

So with all that faking and make-believing, my questions still are: aren&#039;t the online communities and the online networking a major waste of time? Does it make people involved in it insecure cowards that would rather live in a fairy-tale instead of facing the world?

Where are the limits and where is it leading?

What does it mean to you (to all of you reading this) the time spent &#039;befriending&#039; online?

I&#039;m just interested in other people&#039;s opinions, for I&#039;m still trying to figure out my regards towards this mass phenomenon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lynoure<br />
Great point and well said Lynoure.</p>
<p>So with all that faking and make-believing, my questions still are: aren&#8217;t the online communities and the online networking a major waste of time? Does it make people involved in it insecure cowards that would rather live in a fairy-tale instead of facing the world?</p>
<p>Where are the limits and where is it leading?</p>
<p>What does it mean to you (to all of you reading this) the time spent &#8216;befriending&#8217; online?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just interested in other people&#8217;s opinions, for I&#8217;m still trying to figure out my regards towards this mass phenomenon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lynoure Braakman</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12018</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynoure Braakman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dren
I think most people are more active in approaching online because the pseudo-anonymity makes them feel they are less likely to get judged.
Also, as one cannot see the faces or hear the voices (in most online services), there is more room for imagination. That means we feel we get what we expect: friendly approaching people feel they meet friendly approachable people, but on the other hand paranoid angry people meet people worth their angry reactions (or so they feel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dren<br />
I think most people are more active in approaching online because the pseudo-anonymity makes them feel they are less likely to get judged.<br />
Also, as one cannot see the faces or hear the voices (in most online services), there is more room for imagination. That means we feel we get what we expect: friendly approaching people feel they meet friendly approachable people, but on the other hand paranoid angry people meet people worth their angry reactions (or so they feel).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice list Jarkko and thanks for the link.

&lt;em&gt;Bill Stevens&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSpinningDonut/~3/315994774/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Are You Plurking Kidding Me?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice list Jarkko and thanks for the link.</p>
<p><em>Bill Stevens&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSpinningDonut/~3/315994774/' rel="nofollow">Are You Plurking Kidding Me?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dren</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lynoure
I for sure agree with you on that. But what do you think is the difference in socializing in the RL and on the net? Why are people more (or maybe less?) open/sincere(?)/approachable/communicative on the net? 

I&#039;ve observed the following pattern with me:

With really close friends, I&#039;ve discovered that I simply cannot &#039;socialize&#039; on-line. I cannot explain exactly why is it like that, but I guess I see that way of communicating as an insult to the quality and profundity of our relationship, the &#039;real&#039; moments we&#039;ve shared and all the things we&#039;ve been through together. 

Whereas, on the other hand, I have met quite some people on the net that I made good friends with in RL as well. And I am more than certain that the probability of befriending those people and meeting them in a different occasion was rather low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lynoure<br />
I for sure agree with you on that. But what do you think is the difference in socializing in the RL and on the net? Why are people more (or maybe less?) open/sincere(?)/approachable/communicative on the net? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve observed the following pattern with me:</p>
<p>With really close friends, I&#8217;ve discovered that I simply cannot &#8216;socialize&#8217; on-line. I cannot explain exactly why is it like that, but I guess I see that way of communicating as an insult to the quality and profundity of our relationship, the &#8216;real&#8217; moments we&#8217;ve shared and all the things we&#8217;ve been through together. </p>
<p>Whereas, on the other hand, I have met quite some people on the net that I made good friends with in RL as well. And I am more than certain that the probability of befriending those people and meeting them in a different occasion was rather low.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynoure Braakman</title>
		<link>http://jarkkolaine.com/2008/06/20/what-plurk-taught-me-about-friendship/comment-page-1/#comment-12011</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynoure Braakman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of those 14 things work amazingly in the face to face world too, but unfortunately people tend to be less social outside the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of those 14 things work amazingly in the face to face world too, but unfortunately people tend to be less social outside the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Dren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow! Now I&#039;m famous and I&#039;m not even a blogger! :)

Jarkko, I&#039;d never thought that a time will come when I&#039;ll thank somebody for an addiction, but... THANK YOU! 
For two of them!

The first one is the blogosphere. It was your open, positive and inviting way of communicating in your posts that made me &#039;stay&#039;. And it was here, in the University of Insanely Interested, where I learned about many other amazing people who are unselfishly sharing priceless ideas and thoughts with others, inspiring and changing lives. &#039;Thank you&#039; here seem as so inappropriately minute words.

And, of course, :) the addiction of Plurkland. It has incredible wibes, has it not?! :) So simple as an idea, but so amazing!

Well I guess, I really AM &quot;lucky. very very lucky! hoo-ah!&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow! Now I&#8217;m famous and I&#8217;m not even a blogger! :)</p>
<p>Jarkko, I&#8217;d never thought that a time will come when I&#8217;ll thank somebody for an addiction, but&#8230; THANK YOU!<br />
For two of them!</p>
<p>The first one is the blogosphere. It was your open, positive and inviting way of communicating in your posts that made me &#8216;stay&#8217;. And it was here, in the University of Insanely Interested, where I learned about many other amazing people who are unselfishly sharing priceless ideas and thoughts with others, inspiring and changing lives. &#8216;Thank you&#8217; here seem as so inappropriately minute words.</p>
<p>And, of course, :) the addiction of Plurkland. It has incredible wibes, has it not?! :) So simple as an idea, but so amazing!</p>
<p>Well I guess, I really AM &#8220;lucky. very very lucky! hoo-ah!&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha .. I am flattered. 

Now I have to find new things to do to spice up my relationship with  .. wife. :-) 

Twitter is great. However I get to know some great people on Plurk. Although, I tend to stay away from Plurk, but Plurk has became my second thing to check after E-Mail every morning.

&lt;em&gt;Terence Chang&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.terencechang.com/2008/06/16/weekend-confession-10-moving-on/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Weekend Confession 10 - moving on&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha .. I am flattered. </p>
<p>Now I have to find new things to do to spice up my relationship with  .. wife. :-) </p>
<p>Twitter is great. However I get to know some great people on Plurk. Although, I tend to stay away from Plurk, but Plurk has became my second thing to check after E-Mail every morning.</p>
<p><em>Terence Chang&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://www.terencechang.com/2008/06/16/weekend-confession-10-moving-on/'>Weekend Confession 10 &#8211; moving on</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: jameswilliams90</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameswilliams90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be sad if people aren&#039;t answering your plurks, it normally just means that your people aren&#039;t online the same time as you.  If you can&#039;t start a conversation of your own, join someone elses. You&#039;ll make more friends there, that will join in yours later!  Feel free to add me too... feel the love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be sad if people aren&#8217;t answering your plurks, it normally just means that your people aren&#8217;t online the same time as you.  If you can&#8217;t start a conversation of your own, join someone elses. You&#8217;ll make more friends there, that will join in yours later!  Feel free to add me too&#8230; feel the love!</p>
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