Comments on: What would you do in a world without electricity? http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/ Exploring ways to create time for a sustainable, meaningful life that makes you and your neighbors thrive Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:19:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Perry Curling-Hope http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-65489 Perry Curling-Hope Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:45:26 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-65489 Don't fret, if there's no more oil, less electricity will be the least of your problems. You won't have computers, (or cellphones, flat screen TVs, DVD players) or anything else that needs programming, since the polymers used to make them would not exist. You would not have polycotton clothes to wear, or tires for that (electric ?) car to get to work, assuming you still had any. I don't know how the environmental advocates think they will manufacture windmills and solar panels without fossil based infrastructure, let alone get the polymers for the turbine blades or thin film PV panels. That's excluding the ammonia, via the Haber Bosch process which sustains our global agriculture at anything like its current level. So don't worry about electricity, once our industrial civilisation winds down due to fossil depletion it won't be needed. Don’t fret, if there’s no more oil, less electricity will be the least of your problems.
You won’t have computers, (or cellphones, flat screen TVs, DVD players) or anything else that needs programming, since the polymers used to make them would not exist.
You would not have polycotton clothes to wear, or tires for that (electric ?) car to get to work, assuming you still had any.
I don’t know how the environmental advocates think they will manufacture windmills and solar panels without fossil based infrastructure, let alone get the polymers for the turbine blades or thin film PV panels.
That’s excluding the ammonia, via the Haber Bosch process which sustains our global agriculture at anything like its current level.
So don’t worry about electricity, once our industrial civilisation winds down due to fossil depletion it won’t be needed.

]]> By: Caleb http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-57212 Caleb Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:51 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-57212 If this did happen our army would be in trouble also, but what I would personally do is would buy a gun, find a way to get fresh water, or a way to make it pure.. And start farming,:) If this did happen our army would be in trouble also, but what I would personally do is would buy a gun, find a way to get fresh water, or a way to make it pure.. And start farming,:)

]]> By: Bishop http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-49208 Bishop Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:11:45 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-49208 To all the comments above about alternative (or even existing) energy sources stepping up to the plate, think again. You can't mine coal without petroleum-driving equipment, you can't process the raw materials for solar, wind or hydro-electric components without petrochemical inputs (plastics, refining, manufacturing machinery, plant and equipment). Even sustaining your workforce is impractical very quickly ... effective transportation, healthcare, ALL food prouduction. The net energy input costs currently far exceed any power generation by even nuclear power, (mining, processing and ongoing maintenance and operation) unless supported by government subsidy. If oil runs out, the electricity dependent planet STOPS. Period. To all the comments above about alternative (or even existing) energy sources stepping up to the plate, think again.

You can’t mine coal without petroleum-driving equipment, you can’t process the raw materials for solar, wind or hydro-electric components without petrochemical inputs (plastics, refining, manufacturing machinery, plant and equipment).

Even sustaining your workforce is impractical very quickly … effective transportation, healthcare, ALL food prouduction.

The net energy input costs currently far exceed any power generation by even nuclear power, (mining, processing and ongoing maintenance and operation) unless supported by government subsidy.

If oil runs out, the electricity dependent planet STOPS. Period.

]]> By: Bedlam http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-25659 Bedlam Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:51:14 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-25659 Yea, back to the solar flare issue, Diffusion Science Radio which originates in Australia but is available as a podcast had a story on the effect of massive solar flares past, present and data on future probable activity. Very nice. Well... nice if you like massive electromagnetic pulses that fry anything remotely electronic. This was the April 6 2009 issue, for details please see: http://www.diffusionradio.com/ Yea, back to the solar flare issue, Diffusion Science Radio which originates in Australia but is available as a podcast had a story on the effect of massive solar flares past, present and data on future probable activity. Very nice. Well… nice if you like massive electromagnetic pulses that fry anything remotely electronic. This was the April 6 2009 issue, for details please see: http://www.diffusionradio.com/

]]> By: Travis http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-25302 Travis Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:27:47 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-25302 We are forgeting the most basic things. There would be no communication, your neighbors and people in your town would be the only ones you could talk to. Chaos would spread through the world like they have any time there has been a black out. Looters rob the stores and homes. If the black out was to continue for a long period of time, people, good people would kill to get what they needed to survive. The few who know how to fend for them selves wouldn't be safe from the many confused and desperate who didn't. People have become way to dependent on modern technology and forgot their basic survival instincts. I for one would love to see technology crash. I would feel bad for the sick and elderly in the care of technologicaly dependent hospitals, but I would not feel bad for the billions who need the newest gadgets to make them feel better about themselves. We (All of us, no one is excempt) have destroyed our world to better ourselves. Hopefully our planet and our God will forgive us for what we have done! We are forgeting the most basic things. There would be no communication, your neighbors and people in your town would be the only ones you could talk to. Chaos would spread through the world like they have any time there has been a black out. Looters rob the stores and homes. If the black out was to continue for a long period of time, people, good people would kill to get what they needed to survive. The few who know how to fend for them selves wouldn’t be safe from the many confused and desperate who didn’t. People have become way to dependent on modern technology and forgot their basic survival instincts.
I for one would love to see technology crash. I would feel bad for the sick and elderly in the care of technologicaly dependent hospitals, but I would not feel bad for the billions who need the newest gadgets to make them feel better about themselves. We (All of us, no one is excempt) have destroyed our world to better ourselves. Hopefully our planet and our God will forgive us for what we have done!

]]> By: aditya http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-21457 aditya Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:55:32 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-21457 Bedlam u should now what you are talking about Bedlam u should now what you are talking about

]]> By: aditya http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-21456 aditya Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:54:13 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-21456 i think that we should start thinking more on when oil runs out lots poor countries depend on oil renuable resources are very expensive people sould save electricity beacuse its very important i think that we should start thinking more on when oil runs out lots poor countries depend on oil renuable resources are very expensive people sould save electricity beacuse its very important

]]> By: meh! http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-21429 meh! Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:03:42 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-21429 In a very simplistic but effective way... we're pretty much fucked in the arse. In a very simplistic but effective way… we’re pretty much fucked in the arse.

]]> By: Jarkko http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-14452 Jarkko Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:25:17 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-14452 @Johnny: Hey that's interesting. Can you point me to a link with more information on this phenomenon? I'd love to read more about it. @Johnny: Hey that’s interesting. Can you point me to a link with more information on this phenomenon? I’d love to read more about it.

]]> By: Johnny Camaro http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-14334 Johnny Camaro Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:45:12 +0000 http://jarkkolaine.com/2007/07/13/what-would-you-do-in-a-world-without-electricity/#comment-14334 We should also consider it a possibility that the world or mass regions of the world could easily lose power as a result of solar flares and radiation cataclysmic in size and nature. There have already been many documented instances where large solar flares have disrupted power flow on our planet because of their influence on the electromagnetic field of the earth as recently as 2003. The aurora borealis illustrates that this is a VERY common occurence already, although relatively small in its impact. What happens if solar flares become larger and more consistent? We should also consider it a possibility that the world or mass regions of the world could easily lose power as a result of solar flares and radiation cataclysmic in size and nature. There have already been many documented instances where large solar flares have disrupted power flow on our planet because of their influence on the electromagnetic field of the earth as recently as 2003. The aurora borealis illustrates that this is a VERY common occurence already, although relatively small in its impact. What happens if solar flares become larger and more consistent?

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